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sam1723

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Brand new Redland 650 from Costco. Seasoned it this morning per directions, no problems.

Decided to start off simple thie evening and burgers for first cook. 9, 1/3 lb patties. Watched a video from Meat church. Pretty much followed. 80/20 ground chuck.

Seemed to take forever. Still red after about 6.5 mins per side at about 385.

Open top and huge grease fire. WTF? Brand new grill. Unplugged it but still took a while for the fire to go out. Waited a bit, then plugged it back in to try to heat the solid red burgers up a little more. Massive amount of smoke coming from hopper. I mean massive.

Blew off the burgers and put it into shutdown mode. I did try to drain the hopper also in the middle of all that.

Could not be more disappointed with this purchase. I’m returning it and going back to Weber. Expected so much more from Traeger. And I mean - how freaking hard it is to cook a burger? It’s not like there’s a lot of user interaction and opportunity for error.

my one and only experience has me in the Traeger sucks camp.

I can’t even tell if there is any damage. The sensor on the top right is black but honestly didn’t look close enough at it while building it. So no idea if it was like that or now ruined

Thanks for any thought/suggestions.
 
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First, how do you know your cook temperature was 375 degees F. If you read posts on the forum, you will soon learn that the temperature controller readout is notoriously inaccurate. If I set my Ironwood controller at 375 F, the actual cook temperature will be closer to 340 F, but with some grills the cook temperature might be hotter than the controller indicates.

You need to obtain a 3rd party thermometer to check the actual cook temperature. I drilled a hole through the lid of my Ironwood to mount an analog grill thermometer like you find on most gas grills, charcoal grills and offset smokers. Once you learn how your specific smoker operates, you won't necessarily need the 3rd party thermometer for cook temperature as you will learn where to set the controller to get the desired cook temperature. You can also use a wireless probe situated just above the cooking grate, but not touching the grate.


Always use a 3rd party instant read thermometer you know to be accurate to check the internal meat temperature. I used the Traeger internal meat probe for dmy first cook and have not plugged it in since. A few degrees of difference in the internal temperature can determine whether beef turns out medium rare of medium well. Get a thermometer you can trust. One that will read in under 3 seconds is ideal as you need to check temperatures in multiple spots on the protein. If you get a probe that takes 10 seconds to read, you will soon be frustrated. Remember that the longer you leave the lid open, the more heat is being lost. As they say, when you're lookin', you ain't cookin'. You want to be able to check the cook quickly. While the Thermoworks Thermapen comes highly recommended by professional chefs and many back yard pitmasters, it is not necessary to spend $100 to get a perfectly adequate instant read probe. Just read specifications and reviews carefully for any device you plan to purchase.

When I used to cook burgers on a gas grill, I often got grease fires. The same thing happens in a charcoal grill. If grease drips on anything that is above 450 F, the grease can ignite. If you are trying to cook at 375 F, the drip tray and flame shield will be above 450F. If the grease falls onto the Traeger drip tray, it can be hot enough to ignite the grease, just as in a gas grill. In the Traeger, you can minimize the likelihood of a grease fire by placing the burgers on the top rack and placing a pan on the bottom shelf to catch grease drippings. However, this might not be hot enough to develop the brown crust you desire. The ideal temperature for searing steaks and burgers is 450F and higher. At this temperature, grease fires are likely to occur.

The Traeger is best described as a convection oven with wood smoke. It is ideal for cooking things low and slow. Some people do use their Traeger for cooking hot and fast by purchasing GrillGrates that concentrate the heat to properly sear burgers and steaks. Gas grills, charcoal grills, and gas griddles are much better suited for hot and fast cooks than the Traeger. When I first purchased my Ironwood, I still had an old gas grill. I used the gas grill to cook burgers, brats and to sear steaks that had first been smoked on the Traeger. This year I decided to replace the old gas grill with a gas griddle. I use the Traeger smoker for low and slow cooks and the griddle for hot and fast. I often smoke steaks for a while until they reach an internal temp of 125F (rare) and then move them to the griddle for searing until they reach my desired internal temp of 141F, but of course your preference on temperature might differ.

You can also get a propane blow torch for searing after a low and slow cook. Some forum members have the Grillblazer Sous-Vide gun, but it is rather expensive. If you do a lot of steaks, it might be worth it. There are less expensive blow torches that can be used, but I doubt they are the same quality as the Grillblazer torches.

No single outdoor cooking appliance or method is ideal for every situation. The great thing about the Traeger is that it is well designed to do an unattended overnight cook for things like brisket and pork shoulder. It is also great for smoking a turkey or whole chicken. It can also do a great job of cooking pizza, baking bread, and roasting vegetables. However, it is not ideal for grilling burgers or searing steaks, although it can be done with some modifications.

Before you return your Traeger, read some of the posts on this forum and learn how others are using their Traegers. When used appropriately, they can produce some fantastic meals, but there is a learning curve. The first cook on a Traeger is unlikely to go well. My first cook was grilled chicken breasts. They turned out as tough as shoe leather. Since then, I have learned how to cook chicken breasts so they turn out tender and juicy, but there was a learning process. I cooked some earlier this week and they were great.

Do not give up without a fight. You can suceed with the help of others on the forum. There are quite a few great folks here who are more than willing to help you through your beginner struggles.
 
Just curious if you used ground chuck and hand patted the burgers or did you use the Costco 80-20 frozen patties? The frozen patties have more fat than listed, a friend cooked a grill full of them on his gas grill, so much grease dripping everywhere he had to use a fire extinguisher. I cook a lot of burgers on my gas grill and never had it to happen but I grind my own. However I have put a couple frozen patties from Costco that on that I cook for my 110 lb Lab. From time to time, they always flame up really bad. I could imagine 9 of them.
 
First, how do you know your cook temperature was 375 degees F. If you read posts on the forum, you will soon learn that the temperature controller readout is notoriously inaccurate. If I set my Ironwood controller at 375 F, the actual cook temperature will be closer to 340 F, but with some grills the cook temperature might be hotter than the controller indicates.

You need to obtain a 3rd party thermometer to check the actual cook temperature. I drilled a hole through the lid of my Ironwood to mount an analog grill thermometer like you find on most gas grills, charcoal grills and offset smokers. Once you learn how your specific smoker operates, you won't necessarily need the 3rd party thermometer for cook temperature as you will learn where to set the controller to get the desired cook temperature. You can also use a wireless probe situated just above the cooking grate, but not touching the grate.


Always use a 3rd party instant read thermometer you know to be accurate to check the internal meat temperature. I used the Traeger internal meat probe for dmy first cook and have not plugged it in since. A few degrees of difference in the internal temperature can determine whether beef turns out medium rare of medium well. Get a thermometer you can trust. One that will read in under 3 seconds is ideal as you need to check temperatures in multiple spots on the protein. If you get a probe that takes 10 seconds to read, you will soon be frustrated. Remember that the longer you leave the lid open, the more heat is being lost. As they say, when you're lookin', you ain't cookin'. You want to be able to check the cook quickly. While the Thermoworks Thermapen comes highly recommended by professional chefs and many back yard pitmasters, it is not necessary to spend $100 to get a perfectly adequate instant read probe. Just read specifications and reviews carefully for any device you plan to purchase.

When I used to cook burgers on a gas grill, I often got grease fires. The same thing happens in a charcoal grill. If grease drips on anything that is above 450 F, the grease can ignite. If you are trying to cook at 375 F, the drip tray and flame shield will be above 450F. If the grease falls onto the Traeger drip tray, it can be hot enough to ignite the grease, just as in a gas grill. In the Traeger, you can minimize the likelihood of a grease fire by placing the burgers on the top rack and placing a pan on the bottom shelf to catch grease drippings. However, this might not be hot enough to develop the brown crust you desire. The ideal temperature for searing steaks and burgers is 450F and higher. At this temperature, grease fires are likely to occur.

The Traeger is best described as a convection oven with wood smoke. It is ideal for cooking things low and slow. Some people do use their Traeger for cooking hot and fast by purchasing GrillGrates that concentrate the heat to properly sear burgers and steaks. Gas grills, charcoal grills, and gas griddles are much better suited for hot and fast cooks than the Traeger. When I first purchased my Ironwood, I still had an old gas grill. I used the gas grill to cook burgers, brats and to sear steaks that had first been smoked on the Traeger. This year I decided to replace the old gas grill with a gas griddle. I use the Traeger smoker for low and slow cooks and the griddle for hot and fast. I often smoke steaks for a while until they reach an internal temp of 125F (rare) and then move them to the griddle for searing until they reach my desired internal temp of 141F, but of course your preference on temperature might differ.

You can also get a propane blow torch for searing after a low and slow cook. Some forum members have the Grillblazer Sous-Vide gun, but it is rather expensive. If you do a lot of steaks, it might be worth it. There are less expensive blow torches that can be used, but I doubt they are the same quality as the Grillblazer torches.

No single outdoor cooking appliance or method is ideal for every situation. The great thing about the Traeger is that it is well designed to do an unattended overnight cook for things like brisket and pork shoulder. It is also great for smoking a turkey or whole chicken. It can also do a great job of cooking pizza, baking bread, and roasting vegetables. However, it is not ideal for grilling burgers or searing steaks, although it can be done with some modifications.

Before you return your Traeger, read some of the posts on this forum and learn how others are using their Traegers. When used appropriately, they can produce some fantastic meals, but there is a learning curve. The first cook on a Traeger is unlikely to go well. My first cook was grilled chicken breasts. They turned out as tough as shoe leather. Since then, I have learned how to cook chicken breasts so they turn out tender and juicy, but there was a learning process. I cooked some earlier this week and they were great.

Do not give up without a fight. You can suceed with the help of others on the forum. There are quite a few great folks here who are more than willing to help you through your beginner struggles.
Thanks! I’ll reread and digest. Like many I was hoping to use this for the burgers and steaks along with slower cook items as well. May need to rethink that I guess.
 
Just curious if you used ground chuck and hand patted the burgers or did you use the Costco 80-20 frozen patties? The frozen patties have more fat than listed, a friend cooked a grill full of them on his gas grill, so much grease dripping everywhere he had to use a fire extinguisher. I cook a lot of burgers on my gas grill and never had it to happen but I grind my own. However I have put a couple frozen patties from Costco that on that I cook for my 110 lb Lab. From time to time, they always flame up really bad. I could imagine 9 of them.
This was 80/20 chuck from Kroger. I don’t buy a lot of meat from Costco. Sometimes. I normally buy from a local butcher shop, but they aren’t open on Sunday and I didn’t get this until late Saturday after they were closed.
 
Thanks! I’ll reread and digest. Like many I was hoping to use this for the burgers and steaks along with slower cook items as well. May need to rethink that I guess.

Traeger markets the smoker in a way that misleads buyers top think it is ideal for every cooking chore. While the Traeger is versatile, no any outdoor cooking method or device is ideal for every type of cook. Each devices has its own strong points and weak points. That is why many of us have more than one cooking method. In my case, I have the Traeger smoker, a griddle, and also a Sous Vide circulator. Sometimes, I even use the gas range in the kitchen.

Typically, I cook a lot more meat at one time than I consume in one or two meals, so the leftovers are vacuum sealed and go in the freezer. When it comes time to reheat the leftovers, I remove the meat from the freezer, place it in the Sous Vide bath and set the temperature controller on the Sous Vide circulator to the desired temperature. Tonight I will reheat some pork back ribs that I cooked last Saturday.

I also plan to cook some frozen mixed vegetables for dinner. While this could be done on either the Traeger smoker or my griddle, the veggies cook so quickly that it is not worth heating up the outdoor cookers to do this. Thus, they will be cooked in a wok on the stove. That type of thinking is what I mean about using the appropriate cooking method for every cook.
 
Yes, a little misleading with all the Burger Recipes, YT Vids, articles, etc. Same with steaks. You would think it could be done. Oh yeah, and, it is a Traeger Grill, not a Traeger Smoker. I get it, I have a propane Weber and also a charcoal Weber. And will likely continue. But - still a bit disappointed.
 
Yes, a little misleading with all the Burger Recipes, YT Vids, articles, etc. Same with steaks. You would think it could be done. Oh yeah, and, it is a Traeger Grill, not a Traeger Smoker. I get it, I have a propane Weber and also a charcoal Weber. And will likely continue. But - still a bit disappointed.

The appropriate name for the device is a Traeger convection oven. It is not really a smoker in that the smoke produced will never rival a wood-fired offset smoker. Because there is no direct flame, it does not function the same way as a gas or charcoal grill.
 
However with a little creativity you can make it close to a real smoker. I haven’t found any “all in one” that’s going to be great. I have a Webber gas grill, a XL Green Egg, and a Blackstone griddle along with my Traeger 780Pro. I use the hell out of all of them regularly. I try to avoid the kitchen stove as much as possible.
 

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The appropriate name for the device is a Traeger convection oven. It is not really a smoker in that the smoke produced will never rival a wood-fired offset smoker. Because there is no direct flame, it does not function the same way as a gas or charcoal grill.
Yep, it is an outdoor oven.
 
Yep, it is an outdoor oven.
Yep, it is an outdoor oven.
I guess the other thing I’d say - there are 66 burger-based recipes in the app. So, it feels like some responses are more like - hey, you are using the wrong tool. Like it was user error or something. I’m sorry, but if there are 66 burger recipes in the app, and probably 10’s if not 100’s of videos suggesting and/or showing the same - but yet, I can’t cook a simple burger without a fire? Yeah - major problem in my book. Thanks though.
 
I guess the other thing I’d say - there are 66 burger-based recipes in the app. So, it feels like some responses are more like - hey, you are using the wrong tool. Like it was user error or something. I’m sorry, but if there are 66 burger recipes in the app, and probably 10’s if not 100’s of videos suggesting and/or showing the same - but yet, I can’t cook a simple burger without a fire? Yeah - major problem in my book. Thanks though.
This is not a Traeger sponsored customer support forum or whatever. It’s just regular guys and gals the cook outdoors offering and seeking advice. There are things a pellet grip is good for and things it’s not I’ve come to realize. Just because it’ll hit 500 doesn’t mean it really should. It’s not user error on your end, but everything in cooking is a learning experience. For me I rarely get above 300 on my Traeger, but that’s just me. On rare occasions I may get up a little bit for short periods but like I said that’s rare.

I’m short I like my Traeger a whole lot, but if I was looking for an all in one outdoor cooking option it definitely wouldn’t be my first choice. I think a lot of people understandably purchase them wanting them to be.
 
I guess the other thing I’d say - there are 66 burger-based recipes in the app. So, it feels like some responses are more like - hey, you are using the wrong tool. Like it was user error or something. I’m sorry, but if there are 66 burger recipes in the app, and probably 10’s if not 100’s of videos suggesting and/or showing the same - but yet, I can’t cook a simple burger without a fire? Yeah - major problem in my book. Thanks though.
You definitely can cook burgers on a Traeger, I did the night after I seasoned it the first time using it. No fire or even a flare up. I didn’t like the taste or texture of the burger and haven’t cooked anymore on it, never will again. This has me wondering and I can’t imagine why it would catch fire unless you’re Traeger doesn’t have a heat shield like mine that allows the drippings to go outside of the grill. It isn’t like you’re cooking over an open flame, ?
 
I guess the other thing I’d say - there are 66 burger-based recipes in the app. So, it feels like some responses are more like - hey, you are using the wrong tool. Like it was user error or something. I’m sorry, but if there are 66 burger recipes in the app, and probably 10’s if not 100’s of videos suggesting and/or showing the same - but yet, I can’t cook a simple burger without a fire? Yeah - major problem in my book. Thanks though.

It is not that you can't cook burgers on the Traeger. However, there are better tools available if you have access to them. If I had the option of using the Traeger grill/smoker/oven or a griddle, gas grill, or charcoal grill, I would pick anything other than the Traeger.
 
This is not a Traeger sponsored customer support forum or whatever. It’s just regular guys and gals the cook outdoors offering and seeking advice. There are things a pellet grip is good for and things it’s not I’ve come to realize. Just because it’ll hit 500 doesn’t mean it really should. It’s not user error on your end, but everything in cooking is a learning experience. For me I rarely get above 300 on my Traeger, but that’s just me. On rare occasions I may get up a little bit for short periods but like I said that’s rare.

I’m short I like my Traeger a whole lot, but if I was looking for an all in one outdoor cooking option it definitely wouldn’t be my first choice. I think a lot of people understandably purchase them wanting them to be.
Cool, yeah all good. So, does anybody cook burgers, steak, chicken, etc? On the Traeger? Not even grill them, but, cook a decent burger?
 

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