Silverton XL--New today does not heat any faster than the TFSBJZPD,

[Bill Klumper]

Hi,

I was convinced by the sales person at Costco when they indicated that the Silverton would heat up in 5 minutes or so because of all of the extra insulation etc. I still wanted a cabinet. Otherwise the grill would have been a Reqtec 1000 beast. Its all SS for the main components

My TFSBJPD has worked very well since 2018. Done quite a lot with it. 1000 lbs of brisket, 300 lbs of chicken, who knows how many lbs of hotdogs and hamberger. I used to use around 300 lbs of pellets a year plus.

So I know how the prior design can behave.

That was a major selling point, not withstanding some glaring engineering issues/cheap out.

To get to 350 it took 34 minutes. Thats worse than or same as I had. Ambient internal air temp internal was 74 degrees at ignite and temp outside was 49 deg with West wind variable at 10 to 20.

However the grill is on the East side of the house so wind is not an issue.

My old grill with no insulation or standard box design heats just as fast or a bit faster. Makes no sense when it is single plate steel etc.

Pellets are shiny and new from Costco on Saturday.

Am I missing something.

 

[Manannan]

I was convinced by the sales person at Costco when they indicated that the Silverton would heat up in 5 minutes or so because of all of the extra insulation etc

Methinks they were telling porkies the clue is in the word "sales"!

I have the Gen2 Ironwood and the preheat is rather slow and not as quick as the 575 Pro notwithstanding the latter is a smaller unit. What is significantly better is heat retention, like most purchases in life these things are a trade off between choice of manufacturer, model, specification, cost and any promotions available at any given time. None of them are perfect.

 

[RayClem]

The heat up process is controlled by the digital controller. You can make the grill heat up faster by setting a setpoint higher than you actually want and then cutting it back as you get close to the desired temperature. However, in doing so, you risk overshooting the actual target.

I have an Ironwood 885. It is the double-wall construction, similar to the Silverton. The construction does reduce pellet usage in colder weather and allows you to cook in lower ambient temperatures, but it does not heat up faster. If you want faster heating, buy a gas grill. If you want better flavor, use a pellet grill.

 

[Bill Klumper]

Methinks they were telling porkies the clue is in the word "sales"!

I have the Gen2 Ironwood and the preheat is rather slow and not as quick as the 575 Pro notwithstanding the latter is a smaller unit. What is significantly better is heat retention, like most purchases in life these things are a trade off between choice of manufacturer, model, specification, cost and any promotions available at any given time. None of them are perfect.

Yep. That's an issue. While no accusations, the facts to the end user need to be accurate as can be.

I get variability as temp and winds will impact things. No different than your house and winter or summer.

Yes there are tradeoffs. Here while I like the concept, I will have to see how the keg works for ash trapping.

I have already noticed uneven heating of the metal as one side is nice and dark vs the other 2/3. That may be a function of convection.

So I go and engineer what I see as fixes from no SS drip pan, maybe the grease drain. Etc there I might cheat and just make one in SS and then use Food grade Silicone to drop in to it and adhere.

The last is to get grates that fit in a dishwasher. The old was in 3 parts and fit perfectly into the dish washer. Now this is about 2 inches longer so that would not make a difference.

The other fix is I see daylight through the gasket where the auger body comes theought. Not a good thing as that will allow extra heat into the electronics area. So that's a drats. Some paint maring.

That I can call and check. The down side is the Hopper and auger are heavy. I cannot hold that much wt.

What I mention are simple engineering fixes. I would be nice if the side panels were SS and the full keg. That solves a lot of warranty risks. Use this out near a coast and salt will eat that stuff up.

The other is looking to engineer a silicone mat for the grill. Make cleanup easier. Something in the likes of a yoshi mat. Won't impact much. Gets rid of the problem if the foil gets loose because the liners are expensive. Most go to foil any way.

Simple little things can make a massive difference. SS reflects heat better and is easier to remove creosote from the sides etc.

I keep my grills clean.

While I mention Reqtec a lot. It's that they use a lot of SS 304. Both companies make them in China. OK. So if we look at metals the SS holds up better. Not unless they want the grill to last 7 and then shot. That's wasteful and just adds to the CO2 foot print. I am not a Co2 nut etc but recognize that longer something last the better it is for all. Plus it helps to retain some value an one will be more inclined go get latest feature updates. One could be SS side shelf units. They do silver metal on other grills. Why not here. For 40 or so I would buy.

Same for Racks. 125 buck and retro fit to use with a dishwasher.

Now this does get us to a Uber premium priced grill. So then is it worth it. Again do it right at Design and MFG and better off.

I wonder if anyone had studied how long paint fumes are given off and permeate the food. That's an interesting one.

 

[Bill Klumper]

The heat up process is controlled by the digital controller. You can make the grill heat up faster by setting a setpoint higher than you actually want and then cutting it back as you get close to the desired temperature. However, in doing so, you risk overshooting the actual target.

I have an Ironwood 885. It is the double-wall construction, similar to the Silverton. The construction does reduce pellet usage in colder weather and allows you to cook in lower ambient temperatures, but it does not heat up faster. If you want faster heating, buy a gas grill. If you want better flavor, use a pellet grill.

 

[Bill Klumper]

Hi,

I have a gas grill. An all stainless steel Holland grill from 1997. All US made. The cover is still on it, and sat out side its whole life. It is a bit slow to heat as 20k but.

Showed the Treager rep how the newly announced series actually copied many of the design features as to pan and design. He was surprised to see it in such good shape.

Now smoking is not worth beans and was useless. Bacon wad great but also like double smoked bacon Never had a flare up.

I went to Treager as in 2018 ad they had close up shop. Now that they are producing parts agaub I can replace my burner unit. The natural gas scours there is rust in thr ports. Not as bad as NG.

An NG engine like a Wakeshae 190 will get 30k hours on it and cast is as good as new as where the same exhaust manifold in an Oliver tractor gas would be long gone.


Clean it up and go back at it again

 

[Shawnbbqman]

Bill
Here is the good part of buying the Silverton XL. You bought it at Costco. Which means before you do all the heavy modifications you have talked about in your multiple posts you have the option and opportunity to just take it back. Costco will take the grill back at any point and give you a full refund.
Then go buy a different grill.
My suggestion would be to NOT buy any of the XL versions of any of the models. The grease system is terrible and they are having huge control issues with them.
If you are going to buy a traeger today I think the best bang for your buck would be the Ironwood 885.
It has the least amount of problems and the ones it has are pretty easily fixed with aftermarket parts.
Best of luck
Shawn
NW BBQ Company